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		<title>By: Wes</title>
		<link>http://www.ashbaughonline.com/2006/08/12/thinkpad-fn-ctrl-key/#comment-101837</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost threw my new laptop away because of the Fn key being in the wrong spot.

I tried to super glue keys together, tape it, nothing worked. The Fn key is not registered by the os so it is not mappable either. 

This laptopw would be perfect if they switched the Fn and Ctrl keys and put he delete key in the top right corner instead of PgUp.

That Fn key is bugging me so much that I might buy a new laptop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost threw my new laptop away because of the Fn key being in the wrong spot.</p>
<p>I tried to super glue keys together, tape it, nothing worked. The Fn key is not registered by the os so it is not mappable either. </p>
<p>This laptopw would be perfect if they switched the Fn and Ctrl keys and put he delete key in the top right corner instead of PgUp.</p>
<p>That Fn key is bugging me so much that I might buy a new laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.ashbaughonline.com/2006/08/12/thinkpad-fn-ctrl-key/#comment-99718</link>
		<dc:creator>Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the same problem on my Gateway MX 6454. I have searched all over with no success on how to remap the FN key. The KeyTweak woudn't work on this computer either. I could glue the keys together but I don't want it to look a mess. It's to bad they can't make a BIOS option for this. I am going to try searching for a replacement keyboard. This is a real pain!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the same problem on my Gateway MX 6454. I have searched all over with no success on how to remap the FN key. The KeyTweak woudn&#8217;t work on this computer either. I could glue the keys together but I don&#8217;t want it to look a mess. It&#8217;s to bad they can&#8217;t make a BIOS option for this. I am going to try searching for a replacement keyboard. This is a real pain!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ThinkPads are not the only one.  MSi has the same stupid Fn Ctrl placements.  

Also, the arrow keys are in line with the bottom of the keyboard making the zero numeric keypad smaller.  This makes the numeric keypad almost useless.

When you glue it, you lose Home and End functions.
Tried to remap home and end to Prt Sc and Scroll Lock, but Prt Sc cannot be changed.  Then tried to remap to Scroll Lock and Pause/Break, but Pause break cannot be remapped or changed.  No way to get 2 adjacent keys for Home and End.

The keyboard designers have never used a US English keyboard and it shows in these poor layouts.

Very Frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ThinkPads are not the only one.  MSi has the same stupid Fn Ctrl placements.  </p>
<p>Also, the arrow keys are in line with the bottom of the keyboard making the zero numeric keypad smaller.  This makes the numeric keypad almost useless.</p>
<p>When you glue it, you lose Home and End functions.<br />
Tried to remap home and end to Prt Sc and Scroll Lock, but Prt Sc cannot be changed.  Then tried to remap to Scroll Lock and Pause/Break, but Pause break cannot be remapped or changed.  No way to get 2 adjacent keys for Home and End.</p>
<p>The keyboard designers have never used a US English keyboard and it shows in these poor layouts.</p>
<p>Very Frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonymousMacUser</title>
		<link>http://www.ashbaughonline.com/2006/08/12/thinkpad-fn-ctrl-key/#comment-97866</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonymousMacUser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yay! I've just found my way around this issue. Using macbook though, works perfectly when running WinXP, but maybe it will work for PC laptops too. Downloaded KeyTweak (free) and used the "half teach mode". Now, instead of default (from left to right): Fn-Ctrl-Opt-Cmd, when running WinXP my keys are mapped: Ctrl-Ctrl-Alt-Ctrl. Works flawlessly, no need to release ex-Fn key before hitting C,V,etc. Never found Win key useful, so I mapped 'em all to Ctrl. Of course, for me it's a Ctrl next to the Space, but this is only because of my Mac inclined habits... Hope someone finds this useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yay! I&#8217;ve just found my way around this issue. Using macbook though, works perfectly when running WinXP, but maybe it will work for PC laptops too. Downloaded KeyTweak (free) and used the &#8220;half teach mode&#8221;. Now, instead of default (from left to right): Fn-Ctrl-Opt-Cmd, when running WinXP my keys are mapped: Ctrl-Ctrl-Alt-Ctrl. Works flawlessly, no need to release ex-Fn key before hitting C,V,etc. Never found Win key useful, so I mapped &#8216;em all to Ctrl. Of course, for me it&#8217;s a Ctrl next to the Space, but this is only because of my Mac inclined habits&#8230; Hope someone finds this useful.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Vitriolic.

Personally, I would prefer all keyboards to have CTRL where CAPS is.  Since I often use other people's keyboards, I'm stuck making the best of a lousy situation.

In the absence of sane CTRLing, I find the Thinkpad layout works better than CTRL in the bottom-left corner.  In fact, I found this page trying to figure out how to make my wife's HP laptop behave like my Thinkpad.  :-)

I curl the tip of my pinky finger toward the base of the finger and hit CTRL with the top knuckle by the nail.  Yes, it sounds weird, but it's fast and convenient - I don't have to reposition my hands at all.  In fact, it's so nice, that's how I hit FN in the corner now, and CTRL on regular keyboards - shift hand 1/4 inch left, curl pinkie, tap.

Note1:  I'm a 90 WPM "rest the heels of the hands on the laptop" typist rather than a "hovering so only the fingers touch anything" typist.  Maybe it works differently for hoverers.

Note2:  I doubt I'm coming back to this page, so feel free to flame away.  But only flame after you've given the pinkie curl a try for a bit.  Heh heh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Vitriolic.</p>
<p>Personally, I would prefer all keyboards to have CTRL where CAPS is.  Since I often use other people&#8217;s keyboards, I&#8217;m stuck making the best of a lousy situation.</p>
<p>In the absence of sane CTRLing, I find the Thinkpad layout works better than CTRL in the bottom-left corner.  In fact, I found this page trying to figure out how to make my wife&#8217;s HP laptop behave like my Thinkpad.  :-)</p>
<p>I curl the tip of my pinky finger toward the base of the finger and hit CTRL with the top knuckle by the nail.  Yes, it sounds weird, but it&#8217;s fast and convenient - I don&#8217;t have to reposition my hands at all.  In fact, it&#8217;s so nice, that&#8217;s how I hit FN in the corner now, and CTRL on regular keyboards - shift hand 1/4 inch left, curl pinkie, tap.</p>
<p>Note1:  I&#8217;m a 90 WPM &#8220;rest the heels of the hands on the laptop&#8221; typist rather than a &#8220;hovering so only the fingers touch anything&#8221; typist.  Maybe it works differently for hoverers.</p>
<p>Note2:  I doubt I&#8217;m coming back to this page, so feel free to flame away.  But only flame after you&#8217;ve given the pinkie curl a try for a bit.  Heh heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@batilc - you rock.  As is required, none of your solutions make any expectation of Lenovo.

@ashbaugh - a potential saving grace for the Nokia Booklet is that the FN key can be used for PgUp/Dn/Home/End with the cursor keys.  Of course, this could be accomplished with CTRL and remappers, but at it shows at least that Nokia has more than just a ganglia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@batilc - you rock.  As is required, none of your solutions make any expectation of Lenovo.</p>
<p>@ashbaugh - a potential saving grace for the Nokia Booklet is that the FN key can be used for PgUp/Dn/Home/End with the cursor keys.  Of course, this could be accomplished with CTRL and remappers, but at it shows at least that Nokia has more than just a ganglia.</p>
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		<title>By: batilc</title>
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		<dc:creator>batilc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah I am also glad I'm not the only one! I have lenovo with this crappy false positioned CTRL, too. So its been 3 years, and still no solution. I think it might be deliberate to get us used to this typing, and make it impossible to switch back to old fashion (yet i think it would be easy). 

People are saying that you get used to using it like this. But people who say this have been using it for years (e.g. 10 )! I am not gonna spend that much time for that! Also, its it makes FPS games impossible. 

Anyways, I am gonna summarize the 4 different solutions(!) posted here and elsewhere, to fix this issue.

1) Smash your FN key(take it out). It is suggested that you are still able to use it, but CTRL is definitely not mistaken by your hand. 

2) Glue FN and CTRL together, or fix a wide stick over them to have them pressed together. CAUTION: check if your hotkeys work when they are pressed together (like c/p)

3) Use a keymapper to remap the CAPSLOCK with CTRL. Getting used to caps lock position is way easier than this f*cked up CTRL position. You can use http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964665.aspx if you are a windows user. Unfortunately, fn key is not possible to remap. So we are gonna need to forget about it=(

4) Give back your laptop, or sell it to someone who is not a  pro-user like you and never NEVER and NEVER buy IBM/Lenovo again. Check keyboard before buying a new laptop.


David T. Can you please get the solution? :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah I am also glad I&#8217;m not the only one! I have lenovo with this crappy false positioned CTRL, too. So its been 3 years, and still no solution. I think it might be deliberate to get us used to this typing, and make it impossible to switch back to old fashion (yet i think it would be easy). </p>
<p>People are saying that you get used to using it like this. But people who say this have been using it for years (e.g. 10 )! I am not gonna spend that much time for that! Also, its it makes FPS games impossible. </p>
<p>Anyways, I am gonna summarize the 4 different solutions(!) posted here and elsewhere, to fix this issue.</p>
<p>1) Smash your FN key(take it out). It is suggested that you are still able to use it, but CTRL is definitely not mistaken by your hand. </p>
<p>2) Glue FN and CTRL together, or fix a wide stick over them to have them pressed together. CAUTION: check if your hotkeys work when they are pressed together (like c/p)</p>
<p>3) Use a keymapper to remap the CAPSLOCK with CTRL. Getting used to caps lock position is way easier than this f*cked up CTRL position. You can use <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964665.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/goglobal/bb964665.aspx</a> if you are a windows user. Unfortunately, fn key is not possible to remap. So we are gonna need to forget about it=(</p>
<p>4) Give back your laptop, or sell it to someone who is not a  pro-user like you and never NEVER and NEVER buy IBM/Lenovo again. Check keyboard before buying a new laptop.</p>
<p>David T. Can you please get the solution? :(</p>
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		<title>By: ashbaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 05:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's a shame. Guess I won't ever get a Nokia netbook, but it doesn't matter because I love my Samsung netbook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a shame. Guess I won&#8217;t ever get a Nokia netbook, but it doesn&#8217;t matter because I love my Samsung netbook.</p>
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		<title>By: Heikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 04:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nokia did the same nonsense with their new 3G netbook. I can only shake my head at how dumb these companies are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nokia did the same nonsense with their new 3G netbook. I can only shake my head at how dumb these companies are.</p>
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		<title>By: RonR</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A caution to those who are interested in trying the 'glue the buttons together' idea....

&#62;&#62; Davide Andrea  03.19.07 / 10am
&#62;&#62;
&#62;&#62;I glued the FN and Ctrl keys together. When I press either &#62;&#62;key, both are pressed. Amazingly, when I press them &#62;&#62;together, it activates the Control function as intended, and the Function function, as intended.
&#62;&#62;I’m set.
&#62;&#62;D’de


I tried it on my Lenovo T400s and got poor results.  I first slipped small scraps of paper under the keys to catch any glue that might drip down between the keys and into the mechanism. The two keys now depress together (that's the good news). The bad news is that not all CTRL+ commands work.  For example CTRL + mouse left click will highlight various entries in a menu pick-list, but CTRL+C / CTRL+V doesnt work!  If I use the right CTRL key, it does work.  So, there is something about having the Fn key pressed at the same time as the left CTRL key that thwarts certain actions.

Now I have to try to pop off the keys and break the glue with hot water.  Make sure they the Fn + left CTRL + XXX works before you try this.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A caution to those who are interested in trying the &#8216;glue the buttons together&#8217; idea&#8230;.</p>
<p>&gt;&gt; Davide Andrea  03.19.07 / 10am<br />
&gt;&gt;<br />
&gt;&gt;I glued the FN and Ctrl keys together. When I press either &gt;&gt;key, both are pressed. Amazingly, when I press them &gt;&gt;together, it activates the Control function as intended, and the Function function, as intended.<br />
&gt;&gt;I’m set.<br />
&gt;&gt;D’de</p>
<p>I tried it on my Lenovo T400s and got poor results.  I first slipped small scraps of paper under the keys to catch any glue that might drip down between the keys and into the mechanism. The two keys now depress together (that&#8217;s the good news). The bad news is that not all CTRL+ commands work.  For example CTRL + mouse left click will highlight various entries in a menu pick-list, but CTRL+C / CTRL+V doesnt work!  If I use the right CTRL key, it does work.  So, there is something about having the Fn key pressed at the same time as the left CTRL key that thwarts certain actions.</p>
<p>Now I have to try to pop off the keys and break the glue with hot water.  Make sure they the Fn + left CTRL + XXX works before you try this.</p>
<p>&#8211; RR</p>
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